Summary of Climate Brawl III: Gerald Kutney vs Dale Johnson | Tom Nelson Podcast #75

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The YouTube video titled "Climate Brawl III: Gerald Kutney vs Dale Johnson | Tom Nelson Podcast #75" features a heated debate between the two speakers about the use of quotes and context in climate change discussions, the variation in temperature and how it is reported, the importance of credentials, the funding and validity of climate change research, the ethics of personal attacks, the significance of the 1.5 to 2 degrees Celsius temperature increase, and the targets set by politicians for climate change. The exchange becomes intense as both sides accuse each other of taking their words out of context and insulting people. They could not find common ground and continued to argue, but they all agreed that climate denialism is harmful and that propaganda and misinformation contribute to it.

  • 00:00:00 In this section, Dale Johnson challenges Gerald Kutney's accusations of climate denialism and states that he doesn't need to understand the science behind climate change; he only needs to study the scientists involved in climate science. Johnson argues that he's not arguing their science but pointing out what they're saying. Later, Johnson refers to various scientific publications and researchers including Richard Ali, Jeff severinghaus, Raymond Pierre Amber among others, to challenge Kutney's statement that the current rate of climate change is faster than it's ever been in human history. According to these researchers and publications, large and abrupt climate changes have repeatedly affected much or all of the earth, reaching as much as 10 degrees Celsius in ten years, causing uncertainties on the assessments of future changes.
  • 00:05:00 In this section, Gerald Kutney and Dale Johnson engage in a back-and-forth argument about how Kutney takes quotes out of context and uses them to humiliate people, while Johnson argues that Kutney doesn't care about the context and just takes a naked sentence to imply things about the person. Johnson also brings up how Kutney has used Photoshop and silly characters to portray famous scientists, to which Kutney responds by saying that he uses their words and that often the quotes he uses are not out of context. Johnson also accuses Kutney of being dishonest in his use of Twitter, to which Kutney denies the claim and says that he had only tweeted articles and not made the statements himself.
  • 00:10:00 In this section, the two speakers engage in an argument over the issue of context. Gerald accuses Dale of taking his statements out of context and presenting them as his own, while Dale argues that he is only attaching Gerald's own words to him. Dale presents examples from Gerald's Twitter timeline to highlight his inconsistencies and flip-flopping on various issues, leading to a heated exchange between the two. While Gerald insists that Dale is not presenting the full context of his tweets, Dale argues that he is using Gerald's own words to hold him accountable for what he posts on his timeline.
  • 00:15:00 In this section, the two participants engage in a heated argument about using context and quotes in debates. Gerald Kutney accuses Dale Johnson of quote mining and taking statements out of context to humiliate people, while Johnson argues that they should focus on specific statements instead of general quote mining. Kutney also accuses Johnson of stalking him and other researchers, and using Photoshop memes to misconstrue their views. Johnson denies these accusations and insists that Kutney's quotes are often taken out of context. They eventually agree to focus on specific statements instead of generalizations.
  • 00:20:00 In this section of the debate, the two speakers continue to argue about the use of quotes and context in climate change discussions. Gerald accuses Dale of taking quotes out of context and misrepresenting them, while Dale accuses Gerald of promoting anti-semitic propaganda by posting a quote that blamed Israel for stealing clouds and causing climate change. They also argue about whether the scientific community uses global average temperatures or anomalies to determine temperature, with James Hansen's testimony to Congress in 1986 being cited as evidence by Gerald and a NOAA climate science program manager being cited by Dale.
  • 00:25:00 In this section, the two speakers discuss the variation in temperature and how it is reported. They cite various sources that report different temperatures and note that these numbers differ based on the base temperature used to calculate them. One speaker argues that the current method of determining global climate temperature variance is not from an average temperature for the Earth, but rather from variation at individual temperature stations. The other speaker suggests that there have been instances where the data has been manipulated to fit a predetermined narrative. The discussion becomes heated as they debate whether the temperature rises steadily with global warming, and they ultimately reach no consensus.
  • 00:30:00 In this section, the speakers discuss the importance of credentials and how climate scientists often do not ask for credentials when discussing climate change. Gerald mentions how he has emailed various climate scientists and meteorologists around the world to discuss climate change, and none of them have asked for his credentials. However, Dale argues that it is important to have credentials and that deniers who call leading scientific organizations corrupt are making foolish statements. He cites the example of polywater in the 60s and 70s, where hundreds of peer-reviewed papers were published before one scientist disproved the theory.
  • 00:35:00 In this section of the video, two guests on the Tom Nelson podcast argue about the funding and validity of climate change research. One guest claims that science corrects itself and that climate change theory lacks evidence. The other guest argues that climate change poses a real danger and that denying it is a nefarious movement that ultimately leads to destruction and death. The argument becomes heated as the two guests accuse each other of insulting and demeaning people and of taking their words out of context.
  • 00:40:00 In this section of the video, the conversation turns to the ethics of personal attacks in the climate change debate. Johnson accuses Kutney of attacking people and insulting them frequently, but Kutney asks if it is ethical to post photos of someone's house and name their family members. Johnson argues that if it's on the Internet, it's not doxing, but Kutney sees it as intimidation. The conversation also touches on the issue of climate denialism, with Johnson arguing it's a horrible thing for people to do, while Kutney suggests many people have been duped by oil industry propaganda.
  • 00:45:00 In this section of the podcast, Gerald Kutney and Dale Johnson engage in a heated discussion about climate change. Kutney argues that if people don't start taking action on climate change right away, the problem will only get worse, and it will take centuries to fix. Johnson brings up a quote from Paul Ehrlich about Mickey Mouse climate denial and argues that the climate crisis is exaggerated. Kutney accuses Johnson of quote mining and distorting information, while Johnson accuses Kutney of being an alarmist and using propaganda. The two could not find common ground and continued to argue.
  • 00:50:00 In this section, two individuals, Gerald Kutney and Dale Johnson, debate the issue of labeling climate change a crisis and the significance of the 1.5 to 2 degrees Celsius temperature increase. Johnson argues that it is the duty of scientists to alert people to the serious risks and potential death and destruction that climate change could cause and that the press comes up with the alarming terms in the headlines. Kutney counters by arguing that the term "climate crisis" does not appear in scientific papers, but the details of the papers reflect an emergency. The debate also touches on how the 1.5 to 2 degrees Celsius temperature increase became the standard and the political nature of the decision. Finally, they all agree that the Paris Agreement was a commitment by the world to keep global warming below 2 degrees Celsius and strive for 1.5 degrees Celsius.
  • 00:55:00 In this section, the discussion centers around the targets set by politicians for climate change and the scientific basis for these targets. It is stated that the targets are a guideline for what the world has to try to achieve. The point is made that the idea of setting targets was to allow the US to sign the climate agreement. It is also noted that, no matter what the target is, if it is not achieved, it means that the death and destruction caused by climate change will escalate. The discussion condemns climate denialism and notes that propaganda campaigns and misinformation contribute to it.

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In this video, two speakers, Gerald Kutney and Dale Johnson, engage in a heated debate over climate change and climate science. The two argue over the credibility of climate scientists, the validity of their research, Twitter usage, and climate denialism. They also discuss the responsibility of countries to address climate change and reduce their carbon footprint, and the history of science in correcting its mistakes over the years. While Kutney emphasizes the human impact on modern climate change, Johnson argues that natural cycles play a major role in fluctuating temperatures. Both speakers make their points, and it is up to viewers to decide who is right.

  • 01:00:00 In this section, the two speakers argue over the credibility of climate scientists and the validity of their research. Gerald Kutney defends the credibility of climate scientists and refutes Dale Johnson's anecdotal evidence against them, stating that the scientific consensus on climate change is rock solid and has withstood every attack. Dale Johnson brings up instances where climate scientists have harassed and intimidated others, but Gerald dismisses these claims as anecdotal tales. The two also argue over the number of scientists involved in the IPCC and the scrutiny of the reports, with Gerald claiming that they are the most scrutinized reports in history.
  • 01:05:00 In this section, the two guests argue about climate science and the challenges that climate scientists face. The interviewer challenges one of the guests, Dale, when he attacks a paleoclimatologist and criticizes his qualifications as a scientist. The guest goes on to defend climate scientists, saying they volunteer their time for the IPCC reports. The conversation then turns to personal attacks, with the guest suggesting that Dale is a bully who cherry-picks information and launches cruel attacks. The guest acknowledges that he made a mistake by mistakenly referring to a well-known journalist as a scientist in one of his tweets, but he also says that he takes responsibility for his error. The two guests continue to hurl insults at each other.
  • 01:10:00 In this section, the conversation turns to the topic of the use of other accounts on Twitter, to which Gerald Kutney admits to previously having other accounts, but they were all banned. Dale Johnson asks if Kutney is currently using any other accounts and Kutney denies this. The conversation then moves on to discuss Kutney's collaborator, and while Kutney denies her involvement in creating memes, he refers to their efforts as a "collaborative effort" and emphasizes that they never intend to hurt anyone through their work. Johnson disagrees, saying that their memes are dishonest and intimidating, and that harassment and intimidation are never funny.
  • 01:15:00 In this section, two individuals - Gerald Kutney and Dale Johnson - engaged in a heated exchange about the use of Twitter for climate change discussions. Dale Johnson accused Kutney of harassing and stalking climate scientists and activists on a daily basis while Kutney defended his actions, arguing that he was only expressing his freedom of speech. Johnson strongly condemned Kutney's behavior, claiming that he deserved a place in hell for harassing people, while Kutney accused Johnson of misrepresenting information and misleading the public. The two individuals had vastly differing opinions on Twitter usage, with Johnson arguing that Kutney's actions were abusive while Kutney contended that he was doing nothing wrong.
  • 01:20:00 In this section, the discussion revolves around the responsibility of countries to address climate change and reduce their carbon footprint. The two speakers dive into the details of carbon tracking and reducing the use of carbon by individuals. One speaker argues that there is no climate crisis and cites the temperature variations in his own area to support his view. Meanwhile, the other speaker highlights the importance of addressing climate change and refers to scientific organizations such as NASA and IPCC to support his case. The discussion further delves into the history of science and how it has evolved in correcting its mistakes over the years.
  • 01:25:00 In this section of the video, the topic of discussion is climate change denialism. One of the speakers, Dale Johnson, criticizes how climate deniers tend to twist or distort the words of respected climate scientists like Jim Hansen, demonstrating how climate denialism is a lost cause that disregards scientific evidence. The other speaker, Gerald Kutney, argues that he is not a climate denier, but that he does not believe the proposed climate policies will be effective in reducing emissions.
  • 01:30:00 In this section, climate expert Gerald Kutney admits that natural climate change existed millions of years before humans existed. However, he notes that modern climate change, especially in the last 150 years, is mainly caused by humans in the form of climate forces. Dale Johnson, on the other hand, tries to argue that climate change is part of the natural cycle and fluctuates without any changes in climate forces. Kutney notes that the temperature variance is what NASA uses to determine global warming, not the global temperature. Both parties have made their points, and it is up to the viewers to decide who is right.

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