Summary of Dave Collum: “The pathological lying is spectacular in this field” | Tom Nelson Pod #200

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Dave Collum and Tom Nelson discuss the controversial and complex nature of the climate change discourse , highlighting instances of dishonesty and manipulation within the scientific community. Collum criticizes the field for its alleged pathological lying and calls out prominent figures such as Michael Mann and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for their roles in perceived fraudulence. Nelson challenges the consensus on human-caused climate change and expresses skepticism towards climate models and melting glaciers as evidence. The podcast also delves into debates on issues like Antarctic sea ice data anomalies and the selective interpretation of climate change data by activists like Heidi Cullen. Both Collum and Nelson question the motives behind the climate change narrative, touching on financial incentives, potential inaccuracies in statistics, and the implications of extreme measures proposed to address the issue.

00:00:00 In this section of the Tom Nelson Podcast number 200, guest Dave Collum discusses his perspective on climate change and the role of money in the discourse. Collum, a self-proclaimed "higher order" podcaster, shares his evolution from skeptic to "Kool-Aid swilling climate denier," despite his background as a scientist. He criticizes the scientific community for not addressing the issue effectively and accuses some climate change advocates of using the issue to redistribute wealth. Collum also criticizes the smuggling in of unrelated issues, such as resource depletion and pollution, into the climate change debate. He argues that focusing on these issues separately is necessary for effective solutions. Collum also mentions the $150 trillion dollar opportunity, a phrase coined by Goldman Sachs, which he believes is a significant financial incentive driving the climate change narrative.
00:05:00 In this section of the podcast, Tom Nelson discusses his email correspondence with skeptics of the climate change narrative and his interactions with scientists who support it. He mentions an email to his brother where he was reassured by former Secretary of Energy Stephen Chu that there are no credible scientists who doubt global warming. Nelson also criticizes Marsha McNutt, editor of Science, for claiming the debate has ended and the science is settled. He discusses a survey that found 97% of climate scientists believe climate change is a crisis, but notes that the methodology of the survey has been criticized. Nelson also mentions physicist William Happer, who believes CO2 is good for life on Earth, and economist Thomas Sowell, who has dismissed the climate change debate as a mass delusion. Nelson asserts that he has already found a few scientists who do not believe the climate change narrative and plans to continue challenging those who use the 97% statistic.
00:10:00 In this section of the podcast, Dave Collum discusses the issue of causality in the climate change debate, arguing that temperature rises before CO2 levels do. He uses the example of oceans releasing CO2 as they warm, and questions the ability of people to detect small temperature increases year by year. Collum also criticizes the reliability of temperature data before 1980, citing issues with base effects and heat island effects. He mentions an oceanographer's skepticism of temperature readings prior to this time and shares an example of declining high temperatures over a century, which would be expected if there was a warming trend. Collum also points out that the medieval period was warmer than the present, making it a challenge for the climate narrative.
00:15:00 In this section of the podcast, Dave Collum discusses the controversy surrounding climate change science and the alleged "pathological lying" in the field. He mentions the case of physicist Patrick Frank from Stanford University, who questioned the existence of human-based air temperature changes based on climate observables. Collum also criticizes the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report for making long-term predictions about the complex climate system, which has since been deemed embarrassing. Steve Coonan, a former Keltech physicist and Provost of Caltech, is mentioned for his denial of climate change and the American Physical Society's Committee of Elite Physicists' conclusion that climate change is real. Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Penn State, is criticized for his role in the "climate gate" scandal, where emails were leaked showing potential manipulation of data. Mann is also accused of blocking Collum on Twitter after a debate. The discussion also touches on the controversy surrounding the "hockey stick" graph, which helped establish the existence of global warming and contributed to Al Gore's Nobel Prize. The IPCC's report on ocean acidification is mentioned as another potential fraud.
00:20:00 In this section of the podcast, host Tom Nelson discusses the issue of dishonesty and controversy within the scientific community, specifically regarding climate change. He mentions instances of scientists being labeled as "climate deniers" and being canceled from speaking engagements. Nelson expresses concern over the loss of credibility for the entire scientific community when such controversies get outside the field. He also mentions comedian Jimmy Dore's comment that one has to lie to make a point, which Nelson agrees with. The conversation then shifts to the case of John Clauser, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist who was criticized for denying climate change and was canceled from a speech at the International Monetary Fund. Nelson also discusses the perceived increase in hurricane activity and the drop in global climate disasters, using examples from hurricanes and droughts. He also mentions Michael Shellenberger, a former award-winning environmentalist who wrote a book apologizing for getting the climate change story wrong and is now criticized as a right-wing figure. Nelson concludes by noting that people have learned to cope with extreme weather events and that the chance of dying from such events has dropped significantly.
00:25:00 In this section of the podcast, host Tom Nelson discusses the views of solar physicist Dr. Willie Soon, who challenges the consensus on human-caused climate change. Dr. Soon, a Hebrew University graduate and solar physicist, argues that solar CO2 has never been proven to be causal for climate change. His Forbes op-ed on the topic was removed due to Forbes' high journalism standards. Dr. Soon is known for his assertion that natural variability explains all climate variations, and he's now privately funded, allowing him to conduct research without funding agency constraints. The discussion also touches on the controversy surrounding climate model projections, with Dr. Soon suggesting that even random data can produce catastrophic results in these models. The podcast host expresses skepticism towards the significance of melting glaciers as evidence of climate change, citing historical examples of glacier existence and tree growth during warmer periods. The conversation also mentions the persistent Arctic ice and the record levels of Antarctic sea ice, which contradict the expectations of global warming proponents.
00:30:00 In this section of the podcast, host Dave Collum discusses an apparent anomaly in Antarctic sea ice data from 2023, which showed a six standard deviation drop, a one in a billion event. The data, which was met with excitement by those hoping for a climate catastrophe, was later found to have returned to normal levels within a month. Collum points out inconsistencies in different depictions of the data and suggests that someone may have manipulated it to make it look better. He draws a parallel to a story about a rigged coin and concludes that deception might be at play in the climate narrative. Collum also acknowledges the statistical significance of sea level rise but expresses skepticism about the notion that one can observe it with the naked eye and suggests that coastal properties will eventually be washed away due to natural processes.
00:35:00 In this section of the podcast, host Tom Nelson discusses a controversy surrounding climate change data with climate scientist and activist Heidi Cullen. Cullen had posted a document on Twitter that Nelson believed contained fraudulent information, specifically in Figure 26 which documented forest fires. Nelson accused Cullen of manipulating the data by removing the word "models" from a caption, making it seem like the data was not based on computer simulations. Cullen argued that Nelson should read the original paper, but Nelson discovered that the data had been selectively cut off, starting in 1985, to show a rising trend in fires, while ignoring the significant increase in fires prior to that year. Nelson also pointed out the consequences of Lake Mead's drying up, including the discovery of bodies and barrels, loss of power for several cities, and potential water shortages for Vegas if the water level drops below the intake pipes. Nelson accused Cullen and her colleagues of dishonesty for manipulating the data to fit a certain narrative.
00:40:00 In this section of the podcast, Tom Nelson discusses the issues with the electric car market, which he claims is imploding. He shares anecdotes about people's reluctance to rent electric cars due to charging concerns and high battery replacement costs. The fires in electric cars have also made insurance companies wary, leading to refusals to insure them. The resale value of used electric cars is low, making it difficult for rental companies to operate profitably. Additionally, electric cars can catch fire quickly and pose a risk to houses if charged in garages. The speaker expresses his own reluctance to buy an electric car due to these concerns. He also mentions California's push for electric vehicles but notes that the state is experiencing water and burning problems and that solar panels and wind turbines don't provide consistent energy. The speaker also touches on the polar bear population, noting that it has tripled since the 1970s and that some individuals may appear sick but could simply be older or eating differently.
00:45:00 In this section of the podcast, Dave Collum discusses the misconceptions surrounding climate change and extinction of species. He mentions Beed Nos, the fattest bear in Alaska, to illustrate how people can be misled by information. Collum then moves on to criticize the IPCC reports, which he sees as being treated like religious texts, and highlights the controversy surrounding the causes of extinction and climate change. He also discusses the Secretary General of the World Meteorological Organization's criticism of the IPCC and the selective way people choose to interpret the reports. Collum also touches upon the decreasing number of natural disasters and the ability of humans to cope with them, and the potential impact of climate change on kidney stones in children.
00:50:00 In this section of the podcast, host Tom Nelson discusses various scams and controversies surrounding climate change, the CDC, Greta Thunberg, and politicians like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Nelson points out the seemingly odd connection between the CDC discussing climate change, Ukraine, and coronavirus in the same announcement. He also mentions Putin's comments on Thunberg and her newfound role as a Corona virus expert. Nelson shares rumors about Thunberg's potential replacement and her controversial past. He also discusses AOC's claims about the world ending in 12 years due to climate change and her brother's role in her election. The host also touches upon the World Economic Forum's plan for a great reset and the potential financial gains from the climate change narrative. Nelson expresses his skepticism towards the climate change issue and the motivations of those pushing it.
00:55:00 In this section of the podcast, Dave Collum discusses the extreme measures and flawed logic being proposed to address climate change. He mentions the statistical inaccuracy of Rush Limbaugh being called a five-to-one winner in terms of carbon emissions, and then goes on to satirically suggest various ways to reduce carbon footprints, such as cutting down trees and burying them, or hiring people to do so. Collum also mocks the idea that trees absorb CO2 less efficiently than previously thought, leading to more CO2 being released, and the suggestion to cut down trees as a solution. He then jokes about banning gas stoves, cutting back on holidays, and even having climate lockdowns, which he believes would mean everyone dies. Collum also mentions the absurdity of claims that shorter people should be bred to reduce carbon emissions, and the impact of climate change on beer production. He also mentions the various political solutions being proposed, and the idea that an all-out thermonuclear war could economically devastate the markets, which is not directly related to climate change. Collum also shares his experience of receiving hate mail from listeners.

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In this episode of the Tom Nelson Pod #200, host Dave Collum praises Constantine Kaison's take on climate change and encourages listeners to check out his Oxford Union talk. Collum criticizes the idea that farming should stop to reduce climate change and shares his experiences with academic censorship at Cornell University regarding controversial topics like climate change and the vaccine. He also discusses the challenges of teaching controversial topics in the scientific field and his involvement in various controversial topics, including transgender debates and sex trafficking. Collum expresses concerns over geopolitical shifts and potential economic corrections, as well as the controversy surrounding the January 6 Capitol riots and ongoing investigations. Guest Dave Collum also shares his experiences with being mentioned in various articles and publications without his consent. Throughout the podcast, both hosts express their opinions on various topics and their concerns about censorship and the current state of the world.

01:00:00 In this section of the podcast, host Dave Collum praises a speaker named Constantine Kaison's take on climate change and encourages listeners to check out his Oxford Union talk on the topic. Collum shares that Kaison figured out the climate change narrative was "baloney" within a few hours and believes it's an excuse for worldwide socialism and authoritarianism. He suggests reading books on authoritarianism and propaganda to understand the current state of the world. Collum also criticizes the idea that farming should stop to reduce climate change and mentions the destruction of agriculture in Northern Europe as an example of extreme measures being taken based on this belief.
01:05:00 In this section of the podcast, Tom Nelson discusses the popularity of his podcast episodes and his ability to express opinions on various topics. One of his most viewed YouTube episodes is number 35, which has around 10,000 views. He mentions that he has been told he is a podcaster because he has an opinion on every subject, and he is unfiltered and outspoken. People are drawn to his podcast because he expresses views that they have been thinking but haven't had the opportunity to hear. Nelson also shares that he is still at Cornell University despite expressing controversial views due to his tenure, friends in high places, and his funding record. He recounts a story where he got into trouble for tweeting about Cornell and was saved by the provost's request for him to fight union movements. Nelson's strong connections to Cornell and his record make him a difficult faculty member to remove.
01:10:00 In this section of the podcast, Dave Collum shares his experiences with academic censorship at Cornell University, particularly regarding controversial topics like the vaccine and climate change. He recounts being warned by Cornell legal about potential legal action if he tried to fire him, and how they were hoping he would avoid contentious topics. Collum expresses his willingness to debate climate change, contrasting it with the vaccine issue due to the geopolitical forces involved. He also discusses his plan to give an optional lecture on climate change in his undergraduate lab course, encouraging students to develop a discerning eye and consider alternative viewpoints.
01:15:00 In this section of the podcast, Professor Dave Collum discusses the challenges he faces when teaching controversial topics in the scientific field, specifically climate change. He mentions that students may be surprised by his outspokenness on the issue, as there is a lot of negative press about him online due to union fights and allegations of pathological lying. To address this, he spends the first day of each semester explaining the background and explaining that he doesn't care if he offends students, as long as they come to him to discuss their disagreements. He also mentions that humanities professors seem to be more afraid of their students than scientists, as they are lecturing to activists in training. Collum also attended a free speech in the classroom symposium and discovered that humanists are more cautious due to the potential for triggering students. He concludes by mentioning that older scientists feel freer to speak their minds, but there are fewer older scientists in the field due to historical exclusion of certain groups.
01:20:00 In this section of the podcast, Dave Collum discusses his involvement in various controversial topics, including transgender debates and sex trafficking. He finds enjoyment in debunking the preposterous claims he encounters, some of which are so absurd that they are laughable. Collum plans to give a talk on the topic and promises to share the PowerPoint slides with those interested. He acknowledges that much of the talk is meant to be shocking and intends to expose the idiocy of certain claims. Regarding the future of these issues, Collum believes that the transgender story may burn out quickly due to the controversy surrounding transgender clinics and their statute of limitations. He is militantly against transgender interventions on children and biological males in women's sports. Collum also expresses concerns about the United States' debt crisis and the potential for a long-term economic downturn, which he refers to as evidence of the end of the empire.
01:25:00 In this section of the podcast, host Tom Nelson interviews Dave Collum about geopolitical shifts and the potential for economic corrections. Collum discusses the alliances between various countries, particularly those with oil, forming new alliances with Russia and China. He believes this is a significant change in geopolitics and predicts a slow decline, possibly leading to a new order. Collum also touches on the idea that markets, including the Nikkei in Japan, can experience dramatic corrections, requiring significant downturns before recovering. Collum expresses concern over the weaponization of the DOJ and the potential for political polarization and civil unrest in the United States. He expresses doubt about the Democrats' ability to field a strong candidate for the 2024 elections.
01:30:00 In this section of the podcast, Tom Nelson discusses his thoughts on RFK Jr.'s views, acknowledging that despite some controversial stances, he makes more sense than other candidates to him. RFK Jr. is against war and deficit spending, and while Nelson agrees with him on some issues, he notes that RFK Jr.'s views on climate change have evolved over the years. Nelson shares his concerns about government subsidies for renewable energy, specifically windmills and solar panels, which he believes can destabilize the grid due to their inconsistent frequencies. He also criticizes the Biden administration's plan to install three million solar panels, arguing that it may lead to environmental issues and the creation of toxic waste dumps. Nelson expresses his skepticism towards "green" initiatives, stating that if it's green, it's likely a scam. He also touches upon the issue of plastic packaging and waste, expressing his belief that humans are responsible for the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. Despite his reservations about some of RFK Jr.'s views, Nelson admits that he makes more sense to him than other candidates and that he would prefer a break from political polarization.
01:35:00 In this section of the podcast, host Tom Nelson discusses the controversy surrounding the January 6 Capitol riots and the ongoing investigations. He expresses concern over the lengthy prison sentences for those involved and the potential for false accusations. Nelson also mentions his interest in dark stories, including pedophilia rings and their connection to political figures. He shares his experience listening to "pedo Hunters" on Twitter Spaces and expresses frustration with the Republican Party for not releasing all the January 6 tapes, which could potentially free those still in prison. Nelson also recommends following Julie Kelly's work on the subject and suggests listening to economist Peter St. on Twitter and subscribing to Zero Hedge for news.
01:40:00 In this section of the podcast, guest Dave Collum discusses his experiences with being mentioned in various articles and publications without his consent. He estimates that his name appears around 70 times in these writings, some of which contain inaccuracies or untruths. Collum clarifies that he hasn't written any content for these publications but acknowledges that his work or name ends up there nonetheless. He expresses his gratitude for the opportunity to share his experiences on the podcast.